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Facts about transsexuals.

2012-04-07 12:45:24 by karlu20

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Identity_D isorder
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii /S0306453005001770
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/131/12/3 132
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/5/2034.f ull

Also, for anyone saying "but chromosomes/ reproduction/ genitalia = what makes a (fe)male". Nope, sorry gender doesn't work like that.
http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/ais
Not to mention people who aren't XX or XY (see first link) and people who aren't intersexed but are simply impotent (do I really need to source this?).

Throughout history:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia )
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Castina
http://transsexual.org/What.html

Now stop being so transphobic, Newgrounds. Also, I might write an essay on this when I can be bothered.


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Ronald-McDonald-LoLRonald-McDonald-LoL

2012-04-07 12:47:11

first

karlu20 responds:

Seventh.


Ronald-McDonald-LoLRonald-McDonald-LoL

2012-04-07 12:47:41

Also you should write about this. You have the sources.

(Updated ) karlu20 responds:

On a PS3 I can't use many more characters than what I did.
Edit: Apparently I can't even use that many. Weird, went to edit it and it cut everything after throughout history out. Oh well, guess I won't be editing that.


AsandirAsandir

2012-04-07 13:32:00

Hello :3

karlu20 responds:

Comment needs more substance.


OdyssicOdyssic

2012-04-07 13:51:35

Good old wikipedia. Getting the facts out.

karlu20 responds:

>Implying all my facts are from Wikipedia.
>Implying Wikipedia isn't perfectly fine for general knowledge.
>Implying you can't scroll to the bottom of the page to get more sources.

Other than general background information I only sourced it in the throughout history section.


AsandirAsandir

2012-04-07 14:01:51

Thank you for those links! They helped me to gain more knowledge about transsexuals. Looking forward to the essay, when you decide to write it :)

karlu20 responds:

Good boy. Lol.


TrambambolineTrambamboline

2012-04-07 14:37:46

Hurray, transsexuals!

karlu20 responds:

*Nods*


Winrar1337Winrar1337

2012-04-07 14:41:04

I'm not transphobic, but that doesn't mean I have to be attracted to chicks with dicks.

karlu20 responds:

'Chicks with dicks' != transsexuals. Also being uninterested in forming a sexual relationship with someone != *phobic.

However much of Newgrounds is transphobic. Eg. 'not real (wo)men' 'not people' 'freaks' 'fucked up' 'don't deserve the same rights' and using pronouns like it/ deliberately using the wrong pronoun.


mandogmandog

2012-04-07 15:08:13

I am transphobic, I think it's fucked up, fight me.

karlu20 responds:

Nah.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 15:45:35

I don't wanna comment.

karlu20 responds:

I don't wanna rape you but we all need to make sacrifices now and then.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 16:31:16

Not all trans people fit in the current accepted rules of transsexuals btw.

karlu20 responds:

Yep. But that would require quite a few more sources that I simply don't have.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 16:32:46

Also most real traps are trans and not drag queens.

karlu20 responds:

A trap is someone crossdressing. An MTF transsexual is not crossdressing if they wear female clothes, and a FTM transsexual is not crossdressing if they wear male clothes.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 16:41:38

Just saying.

karlu20 responds:

*Snuggles* I have a headache.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 16:45:35

Seeing a tranny fucking another tranny fucking another tranny fucking a girl is hot. But still I'd prefer my ass dickfree zone.

karlu20 responds:

<3.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:03:56

Its only crossdressing to the people who are viewing the image most of the time. Most of the people who post pictures of themselves "crossdressing" are young trans people and the chicks with dicks in porn are trans people who haven't yet had sex changes or dont want their genitals changed. Yea it is possible to be trans without getting surgeries to prove yourself.

karlu20 responds:

MTF transsexuals dressed as women - be they pre-op or post - aren't crossdressing.

Crossdressing is when a biological male (or FTM transsexual) dresses as a girl. Or when a biological female (or MTF transsexual) dresses as a boy.

Forced feminization is actually a pretty common aspect of a humiliation fetish.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 17:05:55

But I'm too closeminded to date one.

karlu20 responds:

That's not close-minded.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 17:10:04

How come? I'm one of the people who say that other people can fuck anyone they want as long as it's not illegal, yet I couldn't find a trans person attractive?

karlu20 responds:

Sexual orientation is complex.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:11:02

Hey when people say they wouldnt want a trans person I understand. But it can be difficult to find a straight guy who would be willing to and that sucks. I really would dislike gay guys and closet cases as a boyfriend. Girls can be just as difficult to find Im sure.

karlu20 responds:

Date a pansexual. They like everyone!


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 17:21:22

Goddamnit I'm a douchebag and you need to accpet the reality mister.

karlu20 responds:

You're a sweetheart now stop trying to make everyone hate you, it's not going to work. Silly little Finny.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:25:27

What did I say? Those "guys" who are called traps are mostly trans. Ive seen a lot of them around as I have a fetish for traps. Its just a fact that the majority of the ones Ive seen that people call traps are trans in reality. Im not saying all people who crossdress are trans. And the fetish thing you spoke of has nothing to do with the young traps Ive seen online. For example one of the earliest traps I heard of was Bailey Jay and she is trans. Almost all the "traps" are fucking trans and not crossdressers. And most trans people in the past have stated they started crossdressing when they were younger.

If their body is male hey appear to be crossdressing. Almost all traps online are pre-op trans.

karlu20 responds:

Yes, from a picture you can't tell. But that works both ways.

I'm sure the majority of traps are NOT transsexuals, even if we broaden the definition to include them. Traps include:
-Drag queens.
-People who are into crossdressing.
-People with a forced feminization/ humiliation fetish.

Yes transsexuals dressed to match their gender from a young age, but that isn't crossdressing.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:26:40

I would rather not date a pansexual.

karlu20 responds:

Why not...?


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 17:29:34

First of all, I'm not, that is just wrong on so many levels. Second, I might have to think up something even more cruel.

karlu20 responds:

You're a sweetheart. Nothing you do will change my mind. I've a friend far worse than you.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:30:06

I like my men to be men. If I dated a bisexual girl that would be alright. But hell no Im not dating a guy that wants to fuck or be fucked by dudes.

karlu20 responds:

Did you seriously just make a real men do _______ comment?


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:36:03

Males can crossdress and be traps if they look feminine enough but all but a couple of the traps Ive seen on imageboards were pre-op trans. Drag queens imo do not count as traps.

karlu20 responds:

Well they are.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 17:36:58

This is where I cleverly cough while saying bullshit.

karlu20 responds:

Not bullshit. And he's my best friend so there.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:38:19

most trans people dont know what being trans is and in the past none of them did. And they at the time considered themselves to be crossdressing or began crossdressing and were uncertain of their gender identity. It is not always as simple as knowing you are male or female at a young age. It can be a very confusing and painful process because gender is never that simple.

karlu20 responds:

No, it isn't, but if it was a transsexual who dressed as such they inherently /weren't/ crossdressing.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:38:35

Identity is never that simple.

karlu20 responds:

Seriously though. Did you make a real men do _______ comment?


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:40:47

Well drag queens are gay men with wigs on and fetishists created the term trap and they are usually not attracted to drag queens. So I disagree.

karlu20 responds:

Trap- ANYONE who can pass as the other gender.

Provided a drag queen is good they can pass just as well.


mandogmandog

2012-04-07 17:42:02

Transexuals are disgusting, they should be wiped off the planet.

karlu20 responds:

You're a sweetheart now stop trolling.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 17:43:21

Definitely bullshit dude.

karlu20 responds:

Nope. I've known him since before I signed up to NG.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:46:12

face the fact that drag queens are gay clowns and that is insulting to beautiful femboys and transwomen to call them traps.

You mean I said real men dont want a big dick in their ass? I meant I like straight males. Im sorry but gay dudes turn me off. Black dudes turn me off. Its just who I am.

karlu20 responds:

...


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 17:47:24

Sounds still like bullshit to me and a complete inability so see bad things in people.

karlu20 responds:

Bullshit- no.
The rest- absolutely.


Zirocket-8Zirocket-8

2012-04-07 17:48:12

I want to stick to being a boy XDDDD

karlu20 responds:

Fair enough.


Zirocket-8Zirocket-8

2012-04-07 17:48:59

btw why are your wikipedia links all mobile format ones?

karlu20 responds:

PS3.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:49:16

What if he wantd to have some sick bisexual threeway or tried to put my penis in his butt. Id be scarred for life.

karlu20 responds:

Bisexuality/ pansexuality has nothing to do with threesomes any more than heterosexuality or homosexuality.

Replace threesomes in the above with anal sex.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 17:51:53

I almost feel sorry for you.

karlu20 responds:

Why's that?


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 17:56:46

I was refering to pansexuals. It still sounds fucked up to me.

karlu20 responds:

Nice to know you're bi/ panphobic.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 17:59:26

Because you cling on to people who are bad for you.

karlu20 responds:

A bit. But I care about them.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 18:03:10

Almost feel sorry.

karlu20 responds:

Don't feel sorry, silly.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 18:03:52

Im bi leaning toward lesbian. I like girls and guys. I just dont understand pansexuality and it makes me uneasy. Its not phobic.

karlu20 responds:

Yeah, kinda is.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 18:05:24

I believe Ive said this before in other words.

karlu20 responds:

You also said some bi/ panphobic things.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 18:08:57

So tell me what it means. It sounds like it means you just would hump anything. What is wrong with just being bisexual. Why do you feel the need to go for less popular terms. What is there other than boys and girls you are sexually attracted to? How is anything else not a fetish?

karlu20 responds:

...
Pansexuality is about gender. Not about 'oh look a dog/ tree/ whatever let me go hump it'. And intersexed people are who else. Because that isn't the definition of a fetish.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 18:09:06

I don't. I said almost but still don't. This is where normal people with working emotions would say they'd feel sorry for you.

karlu20 responds:

You've already said you have emotions.


Sexual-FishSexual-Fish

2012-04-07 18:09:59

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karlu20 responds:

Was


Sexual-FishSexual-Fish

2012-04-07 18:10:06

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karlu20 responds:

this


Sexual-FishSexual-Fish

2012-04-07 18:10:07

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karlu20 responds:

really


Sexual-FishSexual-Fish

2012-04-07 18:10:11

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karlu20 responds:

necessary?


mandogmandog

2012-04-07 18:10:52

what doesn't kill you make's you stronger I guess.

karlu20 responds:

Not really.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 18:11:24

Dont be one of those anal assholes that overuse and misuse words like ______phobia. It just makes you sound like a douche.

karlu20 responds:

I'm not. Pretend for a minute what you're saying was said to bisexuals/ heterosexuals/ homosexuals. It IS prejudiced.


JBKalsoJBKalso

2012-04-07 18:17:51

It is not biphobic to state I dont want to be woth a guy that likes guys. If he was attracted to guys it would make me uncomfortable because it would make me feel like hes attracted to me for my male features and also because I do not want to go anywhere a man's butthole.

(Updated ) karlu20 responds:

What you said:
-"I like my men to be men."
-"face the fact that drag queens are gay clowns and that is insulting to beautiful femboys and transwomen to call them traps."
-"What if he wantd to have some sick bisexual threeway or tried to put my penis in his butt. Id be scarred for life."
-"It still sounds fucked up to me."
-"I just dont understand pansexuality and it makes me uneasy."
-"It sounds like it means you just would hump anything. What is wrong with just being bisexual. Why do you feel the need to go for less popular terms. What is there other than boys and girls you are sexually attracted to? How is anything else not a fetish?"

Feel free to claim you aren't prejudiced though.

Edit: Removed a space.


SirFinlandSirFinland

2012-04-07 18:20:01

Not proper working ones.

karlu20 responds:

But you have them.